There are too many to list. There's a bit of controversy among pet owners about whether its legal to hit your pets. The leader must be both caring and strong. That’s ABUSE ! I have a issue. Chiefly, it's not very specific. Im against people or kids or whoever hits animals for no reason. A dog can respect you but not love you. Leaving them tied or chained outside . He's not fixed. He didn’t and than he snapped at me . Lightly tapping my puppy on the nose is the only thing that has been effective. My sister is a foster. Real pack leaders simply control resources, and as owners we can successfully accomplish this using the ''no free lunch'' training method. I also slap the side of his torso. When I caught up with him and smacked him, hard. I'm not sure if any hitting of the pup was involved at the apartment, but the treatment Coal receives now is even worse. You would probably respond that these people should not own difficult breeds. A big dog sometimes has to have something that will get his attention. There are BIG differences in the options. Although, today he seems to be behaving again, but its worth nothing that he did pee again last night even after hitting him so apparently as scared as he was at the time, it wasn't enough to keep him from doing it again... Ahhhhhh. I can't imagine using it as a training technique. These are the real experts in the field. Try searching the internet on ways to housebreak a dog as recommended by reputable dog trainers such as Cesar Milan. No matter how loud or deep or threatening a voice you use to correct her, she does not get it. FACT. All you need is consistency, some rules and consequences , but the consequences do not need to be aversive. So if you really want to form a bond with your dog, you want to build trust, not fear. Reply. I have tried this when I can, and it seems to be effective. no memory? This type of training basically focuses on praising good behaviors and ignoring the bad behaviors. It is not meant to substitute for diagnosis, prognosis, treatment, prescription, or formal and individualized advice from a veterinary medical professional. Adrienne Farricelli (author) on May 07, 2013: I agree with you and think pack theory is outdated and that dogs have a very good memory. But do pets have legal protection when it comes to physical discipline? (He tends to scream when you do this even though it doesn't hurt nor is it meant to) Well this time he screamed and bared his teeth and tried to bite my hand. One comes home and finds distruction. I give him very endearing pets and tell him he's a good boy, then I play with him for a while outside so he doesn't associate going to the bathroom as "time to go in", and once we go in I'll give him a treat (as I forget to bring treats outside to give to him as soon as he goes potty, my bad!). No jumping on you, no barking at you, no staring at you, no taking food out of your hand, no trying to take toy from your hands. so yes i im not agreeing with this article.. i just feel that an owner should not exagerate or go heavy handed when punishing their pet. Strangely, besides relieving herself indoors occasionally, she is extremely well behaved. I’m Thankful you Understand the Harm it does ! Angered, you yell and bark at the piddling pup, causing him to dash away. Kk. What has happened? They have nooo patience w animals. Animal abuse is when dogs get bruises and stuff, so your not abusing him. Bath, med, and foods. Now he the garage floor poxied and things just because he tells her to use it outside the garage door she is suppose too. This is not an easy task. I spoil and love my babies to no end, they run to me every time i come home and they're happy they play and are always excited so i don't understand why this article is saying that a dog will fear you and will "Fear bite" You.. My babies have never Growled at me not even once, and never snapped at me. And while it's not a sure thing, punching or hitting the bear is certainly going to help you fight it off. or more i am 125 & its hard for me to hold him back at times so i pop him & say no. Either way, I'll read through the links you posted and attempt a different approach. I take her out for good runs on a long lead on the beacj or park 3 times a day to exercise her and then when In have walked my older dog the same separately and (myself worked) I am tired at night and she crys for my attention and I have to eat and rest! Remember, a dog can love you but not respect you. The previous owner would take belts and hit my dogs legs and arms . P.s. He then angrily said if she bit the kids like that then shes gone. Check the facts before you write something. Though it is human instinct, such a reprimand is not interpreted properly by your dog. The first thing you should try is to adopt more dramatic, more aggressive body language. I can train dogs to behave without ever touching them. I am not offended, nor feel attacked from you, or any other person posting here. are all forms of attention that reinforce the barking. I can't see it being right, hurting a dog during training isn't right. Positive does not mean permissive, I can train a dog effectively using EXCLUSIVELY life rewards.. too bad you are lacking knowledge and are not skilled enough to do so. You have no idea what you're talking about. We have a pit bull, we got her last September 2014, she was about 3 mos old. The alpha wolf everyday shows aggression to his pack members. They stopped. If your dog is listening to command only if a treat is there you are bribing not training. But him snapping at me really got me upset . Sometimes, in quick instances, a tap on the nose is a good way to break the dog's train of thought and aggression. People who are weak, insecure or too emotional will not get good results from hitting a dog. their instinct is to live to please the alpha. A strong alpha with a firm hand is all that is necessary. Hitting teaches nothing, it just shows the dog you are bully that has no other way to train. David Mech, with his studies on wolves on Ellesmere Island proved this. They're as sneaky as children. My best recommendation for you is to find a professional dog trainer who specializes in protection work and ask for some help -- ASAP. I feel for the dogs you are fostering. I also really enjoyed the comments left by the hybrid owner and your response to the initial comment. Dogs are not behaving out as dominance as thought years ago. I did not mean to attack you in any way but I do feel that more clarification on your methods would avoid a lot of the unfounded assaults posted throughout the replies. Generally they give the pups more leeway and are a little harsher on the adolescents. Wow, all I can say is wow! It's that painful. Sticking his nose in it or hitting him with a rolled up newspaper will only confuse your dog and may actually teach him to hide his bodily functions from … And to the person who said alpha dogs don't show aggression, wow are you kidding me? When I first got Sheldon he was two he was food aggressive to his owner not feeding him properly and worked through that. I believe that some hitting when young is the lesser of these two evils. Yet today he wants to play by the rules for some reason. The 2 executive dogs are purchased with titles or training already accomplished. People have demanding jobs and busy lives. When training your dog with a "new, unfamiliar person", have your helper ignore any fearful behavior your dog displays and look at you instead. He'll let me pet him and pick him up and put him on my lap while on the floor like I do sometimes and pet him and hold him without showing signs of being afraid, and he seems to like it. Lots of treats. If a dog is urinating inside the house, either it is not properly trained to go outside, it has a physical problem, or it had an "accident." We want them to love us unconditionally, and often they will. What if my dog bite some cats till death is it still unacceptable to hit it I mean come on, Hi, I'd like to know if it's ok to kick your dog in the ribs as part of training them. Practice, practice practice. No need to whoop whatsoever... Adrienne Farricelli (author) on November 20, 2011: Fact: if your dog fears you, your dog will learn to not behave bad when around you, but the moment you turn around, the dog will revert back to the bad behavior. I can only assume how she lived based on her personality). It appears the next morning he is back to being his normal stuff and it wasn't as worse as I feared. I DISAGREEEEE. Trust me I bought all kinds of toys, filled kongs with all kinds of yummy treats, he doesn't even want to play with it. I have 2 roomates and he howls like crazy and it drives me up a roof. You say he does not like filled Kongs, what do you fill them up with? I don't see it as abuse; it's not like you're knocking his brains out. It just sucks when you feel you've come so far only to seeminly pushed back to square 1. When dogs are hit they develop fear towards their owner. God BLESSY YALL AND PLEASE GIVE LOT OF LOVE. this could cause serious fights, and unless you are a reputable breeder (which you do not sound like since you own all these dogs living in the same household)your dogs should be spayed and neutered and not hit for doing what comes natural in such a situation and your female dog should not be annoyed by a male dog humping her! I am familiar with modern research on wild packs and alpha pairs. It's also kind of funny to see his reaction after I get his attention with a smack. How old is he? and my dogs will leave it there. Hitting dogs for biting will only cause more stress and will cause an escalation of the biting and defensive behavior-this is proven by research. Behavior modification needs a negative reaction to bad behavior!! finally, Im not opposed to discussing this with you- in fact I looked for you at the Trident right after . There is unfortunately still a myth that dogs—particularly ''bully dogs''—do not feel pain and that they should be hit to get "tough" and learn manners. Can animal control take away a dog if you don’t follow vet vaccination recommendations? Adrienne Farricelli (author) on July 11, 2012: By exposing the puppy to your other dog, you are ruining his social skills since he appears to be very afraid. I called him a bunch and he started to come one of the times, then turned and went back after he got close to me. I have never agreed with smacking, only a tap with the tip of my finger on the nose, tried to see if my partner was ok and said he shouldn't of smacked her. It just promotes Fear!!! Do your research on how to properly discipline your dog if they ever bite or any other kinds of bad behavior. Sentry dogs are made to trained and bred to be handled by one person or a small group of people and not allow anyone or anything near his "zone". Repeat, repeat, repeat, until every time you touch the collar he looks for his treat. She may going there if the kids are too hyper or if she knows you have to do something unpleasant like trim her nails or give a bath. This is animal abuse. They hit him for this behavior and yell "NO!". Don’t do this unless you’ve already tried shouting at him/her and that hasn’t worked. Before I call someone I'd like to know if that's proper training . They really don't deserve to have him in the house, but I can't simply remove him from the home or I'm sure I'll be kicked out. It's either to be lazy or to continually test boundries or something. I ended up having to go down and put myself between him and the door and start pushing him up the hall to my door. So the dog should be rewarded for good behavior and bad behavior is supposed to go unnoticed? As companion animals, the alpha is the pet owner. In a conflict between you and the dog, the dog is stronger, faster, and has much better teeth. If your dog has separation anxiety he is suffering and chewing is his way to get relief.Punishing will only make things worse. Well, after watching with pride and satisfaction how well he was doing compared to other horror stories I've heard of with owners of the breed, he pissed right in front of me while I was opening the door. I agree that the ''dog experts'' who told you to put the dog down or chain him up are morons. This puts the dog up to fail. a dogs breathing canals are on top of the nose and does not have much protection so,by slapping him on top of his nose, you can really damage them. The first thing you should try is to adopt more dramatic, more aggressive body language. He jumps and his claws can hurt, and he often use his teeth. I have fostered many dogs as well, many on death row for serious behavioral issues and I have done that ALL with positive reinforcement. On top of this, lots of management to prevent rehearsals of problematic behaviors. But, ... An aggressive dog may be reacting to memories of abuse, and will respond by biting, teeth baring, or growling. This needs investigated. If he does something really impressive I might throw him a whole chicken, or something; but a dog should not need to expect a treat to behave properly. Something else I do for Coal is train him with treats, such as telling him to sit, shake, and lay down. Pushy behaviors are never rewarded, calm is only rewarded. They need to be indoors when it's cold or hot. If you go on my profile page here on hubpages, you can visit my pinterest page where you'll find all my articles on barking, house training, nipping all in one place. But I'm the one who takes him out, plays with him, makes sure he gets food and water, rewards him for good behavior, and I feel I love him the most. Rather, they grow insecure and fearful. Answer me this. In most jurisdictions, pets are considered "property" for purposes of determining custody during a divorce, for example.Pets also can't own property, which is why you generally shouldn't try to leave your dog your house in your will.. No excuses. . I know these people aren't patient enough to raise a puppy, and I'd love to put him in a better home where he'll be loved like he deserves, but there's nothing I can do at this point except try to convince everyone that there are more effective ways to teach Coal. Adrienne Farricelli (author) on December 25, 2016: Patty, so sorry to hear your dog's personality has changed with this bad experience. In a perfect world your method is probably more desirable. Some may think this makes me a bad person who is selfish and a bad dog owner, but I disagree. Here is an article I wrote, watch the video of how a dog can be clicker trained to accept brief departures. Your ZERO qualifications and rude way to approach, gives me a good amount of ideas of what type of person you are. Not too long ago, a survey published by Applied Animal Behavior Science showed that actions such as hitting or kicking a dog, “alpha rolling” a dog, grabbing a dog by jowls and shaking evoked a defensive aggressive response from at least a quarter of the dogs on which these aversion-based techniques were attempted. I have seen people spend thousands on training only to put a dog down because he could not be properly socialized. First off, i am curious as to what level of training your GSD was taken to. The shake also is never violent or painful to him, but gets the point across. It is a very, very large breed of dog. While standing next to me and my mom my dog lunged at his house making his nose bleeds. This is a form of negative reinforcement in which you burn the dog’s nose with a lighted cigarette in order to make the dog release its bite. Violence begets violence in dog training, and you need a different strategy to bring your dog under your control. The differences between the two are enormous. When I'm home I try to take him out as frequently as possible, every hour, sometimes more often. she is usually chewiing on shoes under my kids bed. If you were in charge, he wouldn't have done it once, much less twice. It's not rough to my standards as I'm aware he's an energetic little creature, however to my elderly grandparents and young sisters his play is too violent. How I fix it: I've read that punishing a dog, letting alone hitting, after they have acted badly does not teach them what they did wrong, rather confuses them. Could somebody have startled him/caused significant stress when you were away? I finally confronted him and told him I'm going to call someone on him. Hitting your dog can damage the great bond that exists between you two, sowing fear and distrust where there should be faith and affection. The most experienced trainers with knowledge in this breed can effectively train them with positive reinforcement. At this point I was really upset and should’ve let my boyfriend take him inside his room and such but my pride got the better of me . Always rewarding a dog with treats is just stupid and you will never have control of the dog fully. YOU WONT FEEL GUILTY. In a vet’s office, barking is expected, so no one really pays it any mind — until the first WHACK! I never let him loose tho due to his aggression towards other dogs sometimes. I didn’t listen and told him I could handle it. This breed will escape and, for a good reason they are known as houdini. Alternatively they would suggest that he be treated like a wild animal and kept in a chain link enclosure basically 24/7. In the two weeks I've had her she has gotten incredibly good at not relieving herself indoors and I do believe it has a lot to do with all the praise she gets for doing her business outside. Oh I would have climbed that fence and tackled that guy and I would have removed the poor sweet dog!!!!!!!! They will not grow to their full potential because too much energy will be spent living in fear of their owners. Hitting, slapping, or spanking a child anywhere on their body is known as "Physical Child Abuse." Adrienne Farricelli (author) on August 23, 2014: Your dogs aren't likely well behaved, they are suppressed dogs who are scared to do or try anything. This frustrated me, because how is he supposed to learn to go outside when no one is home to take him out? A strong alpha only hits when required and does not let emotion dictate how they treat the animal. She then taunted the agitated pet by appearing to bite him on the nose, with the mocking caption 'get mad, tiger'. the only way I can get him to calm down, be quiet is to slap his behind with a flip flop. The dogs are INNOCENT. people often claim the breed is stubborn, but they really want to please you and all you need to do is provide gentle guidance. Shouting at her, looking at her, and taking her out for a walk. and her dog doesn't listen, he still does the same bad stuff.. he barks all the time, he Snaps at her and growls at her, he wont even let her brush his coat. Anything that hurts them for no reason ( there's never a good reason!) It will be stressful at the time (I was actually shaking a bit) but it’s so worth that 5 minutes of stress for the outcome! Yes, hitting a dog may be effective in a way that the dog stops behaving because it is fearful of the consequences, but this is an old fashioned way to train that has been buried by the many + reinforcement trainers out there today. That said, I have a great relationship and bond with my dog. Now five years on last week he was growling at me after we came into the apartment. Dianne Reed October 2, 2019 at 6:47 pm. If he's doing something undesirable, you redirect --- as in get him out of what he's doing and direct him to something constructive. I am not always at the house, therefore am not always there to take him out (not that it's always my responsibility). Come on.... god/jesus can counts who hit or kill or throw puppies or.... put then in the bag. I have 2 dogs. Hitting can cause real problems if done incorrectly. Bob.. i know you posted that 2 years ago and I am just now seeing this feed, but you are disgusting!! I can't say that I agree with you on every issue brought about but I appreciate that you take time to read and answer peoples comments. I read your other question as well, and if she's letting the dog get out all the time, that is neglect, and the dog should be taken away from her for the way she treats it, and her obvious lack of concern for his well being. I think your going over the top, who said anything about hitting a dog on a nose? My bite is a sting to the rear. And, a dog with respect and love for you will die for you. Adrienne Farricelli (author) on July 10, 2013: Thanks for stopping by epbooks and commenting, it's so true! Your dog is blessed to have a compassionate family member who cares enough to speak out against it and seek help. Property protection is one step below a sentry dog but is used to having more than just one handler such as your kids or husband or boyfriend, etc. I probably would not have the time for you method (to be fair I am not familiar enough with you method to be sure of this), but I still want my dog. For example, if your dog happened to attack another dog or even a person, you would be naive to think that a mild “down Fido” would help. Your dog is going under the bed because she is very likely fearful and defensive. She was bruised and battered beat up pretty bad ever since she's been traumatized now she's not the same and she's killed my mom little dog and she has attacked my other dog twice where he has had to have stitches. We are the dominant species of this planet and dogs are lesser being. So after all this, I have a few things to ask of you. My brother while being intoxicated was yelling and flay ing his arms around. I also like to distract him and show him that I want to play when Sammi doesn't. Hitting a dog will only teach it to be fearful of you. Adrienne Farricelli (author) on January 21, 2012: I am sorry I got a bit late to this, did not mean to ignore your post. I have done this frequently enough to where he instantly knows to go potty in the same spot. Hitting a dog will only teach it to be fearful of you. It will simply cause your dog to become fearful and aggressive around you. Once I show people that have hit their dogs for years these kinder and more effective methods, it is as if a whole new language and communication means has opened and they are grateful their dogs now no longer fear them or sense them as ''unpredictable beings''. Adrienne Farricelli (author) on February 25, 2012: Marcus, you need to figure out why your dog is doing this. Touch is how dogs communicate best, so try to use it to your advantage. But eventually, he just seems like he wants to be lazy about it and try to see how much he can get away with. Animals in captivity generally have much higher stress levels which adversely effects the entire pack. Its all people or kids fault to ruined dogs. If you get in the habit of hitting, your dog will shy away every time you raise your hand. Not giving them food, water or attention. I said to him in a firm tone “don’t run off!”....what does he do? I'm sure this confused him, as not only was he inside for 12 hours so he couldn't be let outside to go potty during that time, but now what he had learned to use to go to the bathroom on was taken away, yet he was scolded verbally for toiletting on the carpet. I understand that your goal is to stop dog abuse, which I believe is a noble one. While it may be tempting to correct the bad behavior with a spank, you should never discipline your dog physically. I know this is quite an old thread and that the person who posted this particular comment did so a long time ago, but, James, I have spent all of my 22 years around Irish wolfhounds (You know what an Irish wolfhound is, right? Usually once I let him back in after the first isolation, he will maybe approach Sammi, but not bark, and soon leave her alone. There is much to learn. You have enlightened me of an important topic on dogs. By understanding how to identify symptoms of a nose fracture, you may either rest easy or seek medical help to fix it. The only time he ever toilets in the house now is when I'm not home, but others are and are obviously not taking him out enough. How do you think about the answers? Untrain animals. Many dog owners commit this mistake in the name of dog discipline. I suppose it's frustrating because I know how smart he is. Like child abuse, animal abuse is often hidden and unseen by outsiders, therefore making it difficult to detect and report. It can cause aggression towards you. No I don’t condone what I did nor do I hit him all of the time . I believe the top of the dog's nose has sensitive nasal passages and if hit hard enough can do damage, so I would never advise anyone to smack, tap or anything else, not just on the nose but anywhere on the dog. She is sad depresses and so unpredictable. I'll say now that in the current household, there lives myself, my partner, my grandmother, grandfather, my three younger sisters (18, 12, and 10), my mother, the German Shepard puppy whose name is Coal, and my grandparent's adult Australian Shepard whose name is Sammi.